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Wednesday, March 26, 2014

Ordain Women Movement, What are the Consequences?

A couple of weeks ago I was reading a blog article about the ordain women movement in the LDS church.  I wish I could remember where or I would put the link, but either in the article itself or in the comments there was a story of an investigator that was disturbed by the concept that women are not ordained to the Priesthood in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.  Either on her own accord or by encouragement of the missionaries she prayed about it, and had her own personal revelation that "it wouldn't work.".  I have been pondering that and wondering why "wouldn't it work?"  I have previously blogged about my opinion  but this time I want to discuss what I have learned in the reflection of this issue and the long term consequences in this mortal life and why "I don't think it will work".

For starters we must discuss the differences in the LDS church compared to other religions and other Christian religions in how our leadership rolls work.

We are given callings, although there are many religious scholars in the church we do not need to go to a School and get a degree in theology to become an ordained minister.  This is a crucial distinction between us and other churches.  We are called, and can be called regardless of education, career, and interests.  Although I have known Bishops that have degrees and specialties in the study of scripture, Hebrew, and other similar topics, they were not called because of this knowledge, they were called because God knew they had something specific do help strengthen the people under their jurisdiction.  As women in the Church this is so important to realize.  We have many, many opportunities to serve that in other religions you have to be formally ordained through a school of theology to do.  We can preach from the pulpit, we can pray in all our meetings, we can bear testimony, serve the sick and the needy, take care of children.  We can also be called to be part of presidencies, Relief Society, which is the largest women's organization in the World, Young Women's, and the Primary where we directly can shape and teach the youth of the church.  When a president of these organizations there is one on one counsel with the Bishop, participation in Ward Counsels, and on the Stake Level with the Stake President, all the way to the General Boards that work with the First Presidency and other leaders of the Church.  This is no small undertaking and I don't think as women of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints we don't appreciate near enough.  I know I didn't until I started to ponder, "Why would it not work".

As I was thinking about this issue and all the reasons why the ordain women "covet" the priesthood, and let me say some of them I have great compassion for, I was lead to think about the organization of the church as it is today.  Think about all the different groups we have to make the church run, and if we all did what we were asked to do, how well it would run?  Not just from the First Presidency but down to those that work in the nursery.  How would such a change affect this organization?  Some of those are connected to the superficial reasons why many of us as women do NOT want to have the Priesthood at this time.  We feel we are asked to do enough, that we are busy enough, not just as mother's but as members of the RS and our callings in Sunday School, Primary, and Young Women's organization.  We do not want the extra burden of potentially being called a Bishop of a Ward.  It is too overwhelming for most of us to think about.

That is still not why it wouldn't work, at least not the nitty gritty reasons.  It is getting close.  What would it mean if women were ordained to the Priesthood?  What would happen to the Elder's Quorum, The High Priest Group, Deacons, Teachers, Priests?  How would the organization of the Priesthood change?  What would happen to the Relief Society and how it now works.  Think about it for a moment?  Can you see what I am beginning to grasp?  If a woman is called to be Bishop, and Elder's Quorum, and Relief Society President, what happens to the men?  Will Relief Society even exist anymore?  If women are in charge of the Priesthood and Relief Society what value do the men have?  I know many of you would say, do women not have value in not being in those groups, all I can say is I'm trying to get you to see the big picture. 

This past Sunday we were talking about Joseph, and commenting on the wise counsel that men and women should never be alone together, carpools, appointments, that sort of thing.  I know my husband as executive secretary needs to be there when the Bishop has meetings with members of the opposite sex and with youth.  If he isn't there it is because someone else is there so even if alone in the office there is someone to be sure all is as well, and propriety is maintained, for everyone's sake.

If women can hold the priesthood what happens to our presidencies and what risks will be taken for potential sin?  Could we then have presidencies that are mixed?  A female bishop with male counselors, and mixed secretaries and clerks.  Same with the Elder's quorum.  What happens to the differing roles of the Elder's quorum president and the Relief Society President.  The lines of responsibility becomes blurred, and the necessity of one or the other is negated.  There is no doubt that women and men approach things differently, and we need that difference of opinion.

Next, what happens to the young men's and young women's organization.  I don't believe young men and young women are split for frivolous reasons, after all they spend Sunday School together.  It is because we need nurturing and teaching from role models of the same gender apart from each other.  I think this is necessary as part of our growth and development.  If women can be ordained what happens here?  Again, presidencies could be come mixed and at such impressionable ages, and an age where sexual desire and attraction grows I don't think it would be a good idea.  It is easy enough to pair off, but I could see it happening easier.

It goes on and on.  That doesn't mean that someday, women won't hold the Priesthood.  I know we will hold it when it is the most crucial and that is throughout eternity with our spouses.  The Priesthood is not complete without the man AND woman.  In mortality, I think our needs are different.  We are trying to learn how God works, and even how men and women work differently.  In doing so we understand each other better and even learn to work together better.

I am sure there will be women that will have differing opinions.  All I know is as I have pondered "why it wouldn't work", I understood this complex subject even more.  It isn't that God loves his daughters less, or that men have a greater work, it just in mortality, where Satan has such a hand hold in our lives, that this is designed as much for our protection as it is for our Spiritual well being.  As women we are taught that we can't do it all.  We have to rely on someone else to give our children blessings.  It can be hard as a woman to accept that there are things we "can't do".  We are in a time we are told we can do it all, but we can't.  God is teaching us that we need worthy male priesthood holders because without them we are also nothing, as they are nothing without us.

Monday, December 02, 2013

koppangen

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This is one of my most favorite Christmas songs.  Finally I found it posted in English, usually I could find the Swedish version.  Please listen and enjoy the beauty of the words.

Tuesday, October 22, 2013

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"Life is tough but it's even tougher When you're stupid." (Do what works in Life) -Anonymous

Wednesday, November 07, 2012

The End of our Country as We Know it.

Yes I am upset that once again our Great Country elected a pathetic leader.  I have many reasons for this that I will get into.  Frankly I have seen this trend for many years starting with the election of George Bush senior.  Not that I hate the man, but conservative values have slow dwindled in this country to the point where they are no longer valid.  When we can elect an evil man to office all bets are off.  I have heard people say we are the party of "No" but the truth is who has done the compromise, year after year, after year to the point that our individual freedoms are slowly being drained an whittled away?

As a member of the LDS church I have been baffled by the support many give to the democratic party.  I don't understand how they can look and an evil, evil man and cast a vote for him.  The trends of wickedness I see in the world under the guise of social equality continue to stymie me.  How can we not see that that "taking" of money and goods to give to someone else is wrong?  How can we not see the trends that the more the government takes, the less people give to charity.  The more people get from the government the less they give to charity?

My thoughts over the past several years are very pessimistic but I look forward to the hope of the prophecies written and given.  They can't happen soon enough for the future of my children, I don't have much hope for my own.

Some of the things that have struck me in this election are as follows.

1. The war on the rich.  I don't get it.  How can we as a nation, worship the glitz and glamour of Hollywood and athletic entertainers and then in the same breath vilify the people that earn their own wealth and give a large chunk to charity?  How have we gotten so shallow and so vain?  I have been watching some wedding shows on Netflix and am both amazed and appalled at the amount of money spent on dresses, and parties shown.  We want to glorify the rich and famous, we want their lifestyle but we don't want to work for it ourselves.  We want to take, take, take, and we are insanely jealous of those that have more than we do.  It makes me sad, and the hypocrisy of it all nearly takes my breath away.

2.  The attack and massacre of our Ambassador and military in makes me furious.  I can't believe that our President sat there and watched and DID NOTHING.  How is it our media ignores this issue.  You know as well as I do that if a Republican president did this he would have been crucified in the press and rightfully so.  How can this so important issue be brushed under the rug and President Obama be given a pass.  I'm not surprised at his response.  When I first started to research him with the last election, I thought I would actually like the man.  I was pretty open minded about him.  Then I found out he was associated with Bill Ayers, a domestic terrorist was when he lost my vote.  To this day I can't fathom how we voted in a man with close ties to a terrorist.  It is no wonder that President Obama denies terrorism and has taken it out of the government vocabulary, and no wonder that he sit there and did nothing to save our ambassador that was brutally abused and murdered.  

3.  The concerns over his eligibility to be President.  No I'm not talking about birth certificate, I get that Hawaii laws were a bit different and confusing because of the ocean factor.  Someone born on a boat could be a Hawaiian citizen.  What I'm talking about is exactly what keeps me ineligible for running for the office of President, being a natural born citizen.  My father is not American, he was not born in the US, that keeps me from office.  That same goes for President Obama, his father is not US citizen, it concerns me that we have given him this pass.  To top it off, he attends school in another country, his forms say he is a citizen of that country and a muslum.   Did he give up his US citizenship, did he apply for student loans as a foreign student?  This is a serious constitutional issue and gives me great concern.  That he would be a member of another religion doesn't bother me, but what does bother me is that religion considers it okay to "lie" to the infidel, and to hide your true self and beliefs to fool the enemy.  Am I a conspiracy theorist?  Maybe, but I do believe in secret combinations told in the Book of Mormon and this one sounds like one to me.

 4. The economy, we can't stay on this path much longer.  I'm not ready for the tough road ahead, I have too much debt not enough saved for this tough time, but I see it coming, and like a tidal wave it will hit fast and hard.  How can we not see that we can't spend all this money on social issues, there isn't enough in the government coffers, and we can't tax our way out of it.  High taxation is stifling.  Have you seen France with their 75% tax on a million dollars.  Seriously, who in their right mind will earn that much to only keep 1/4 of their income.  You might as well only earn that 250,000 and stop there.  Do you see what will happen?  Jobs will not be created, and more social programs needed, and no income to support it.  To make it worse with the birth rates below sustaining levels there are no children to pay for the care of the elderly, and the children that are there have no hope for a future with a job and security.  Taxation and socialism are the end of a country.  Oh not overnight, but it will happen, the government can't produce income they can only consume it.  I have a spouse that works for the government, I know how it works, I get it.  He is there because of the need, but I know exactly who pays his salary.  It may say the "state of _"  but it is truly the tax payers.  

 5. Social issues.  How can an election come down to "Lady Parts" and Gay Marriage over the economy and jobs?  Seriously, Lady parts?  Excuse me, I have a brain, and two hands I am much more than my sexual organs.  It offends me to the hilt that the left made this such an issue.  You can't pay for your own birth control?  You have to force insurance companies run by organizations to pay for it?  You expect the government to pay for it?  Don't get me wrong, I know why women use it and want to and yes like me need to.  But this is worthy of political debate and trumps JOBS, that if you had a job you could pay for your own?   

The defunding of PBS, excuse me, watching PBS I see tons of commercial sponsers.  PBS can function on its own.  They aren't a free media anymore, not like it was.  We can't afford it, let it be.  Let the muppets that can fund themselves, do so.  IT shouldn't need taxpayer dimes anymore.  This is more important that JOBS, or SECURITY?   


Gay marriage, I'm against it but like most others we can live with civil unions to give them the social protections they want.  I don't see God condoning Gay marriage.  I have kept my mouth shut on my blog in deference to my Gay friends, but it is how I feel.  God will not condone sin even with the word marriage behind it.  I can accept a civil union to give and grant the issues that seem important to them.  I have opinions on why Gay marriage is important, I have pondered why now when just 20 years ago the homosexual crowd still mocked marriage and those of us that see it as sacred.  I wonder why the change.  I have opinions and frankly they aren't that great and condemn us more as a county.  I won't write them here.  Keep pondering it yourself and maybe you will come to the same conclusion.  I will say it has more to do with the state of Heterosexual marriage and union or the lack there of than the homosexual issue itself.


Needless to say I am not happy about the election results.  It is not just this election but as I said every election since Ronald Reagan filled his two terms in office.  I have voted for the candidate that is closest to my beliefs, sometimes that has come down to the fact that I knew a man prays to God, or his general love for the country and the military.  I could not vote for a man that associates with people that hate this country, wishes harm for this country, and are part of a whole tide of general corruption.  I see it with every fiber of my being.  I have said that I can't stand to listen to our current president speak.  I mean it, everytime I hear his voice I get physically sick to my stomach to the point I want to vomit.  I can feel his evil nature to my very core that spirit of discernment lets me know it is so.  Drama maybe, but I never felt that way with President Clinton.  Oh, sure I didn't always like what he said, and didn't agree with him, but I never had an actual physical response to his voice, unless it was general agitation and frustration.  This one truly scares me.  I haven't listened to the radio, watch TV or news in nearly 4 years.  It will continue another 4.  That is how bad my reaction is.  I can read so thank goodness for the internet and the conservative voices like Michele Malkin and Seraphic Secret that helps stay up to date.  I read KSL.com and of course facebook, but I suspect I will be leaving that social media soon.  I do better without it.  I like it to some degree, but it doesn't do for me what I wanted so many years ago.


I'm afraid I'm seeing the end of America as we know it.  There is no way Obama care can be repealed.  We can hope for impeachment over Benghazi, but it will never pass the senate because of the democratic control and I don't see any democrats going against this president and the secret combination.Yes I'm pessimistic, that doesn't mean I don't hope for a great future, I just don't see it happening until those great prophecies start to come to pass and that is still years away from my view point.

Monday, August 13, 2012

Where have I gone?

I'm still around, but I have been blogging about my journey to better health and weight loss with my sister Noelie. Her son Jordan has joined us as well. If you would like to see what we are doing, our progress and cheer us on, you can follow us here.

Sunday, June 03, 2012

Horse Haven, a facebook game review.

I admit I'm a sucker for facebook games. I have played lots and I'm slowly weaning myself from several that I have played. I feel I need to post about a game that I started in closed beta called Horse Haven. It sadly replaced a game I loved called Horse Saga where you had a stable of horses that you could care for, breed, and complete a variety of tasks. I loved the game. I was getting into the genetics of horses when the company, Ubisoft, announced a new horse game to those of us playing Horse Saga many of us jumped at the chance to play this new game.

Unfortunately, for me, it appeared that it would be nothing like Horse Saga. I was okay with that because I still had Horse Saga, and the developers had said that new horses would be coming out and new stuff for those of us that were at level 100. Horse Saga was a game that you could take at your own pace, and I never, ever had to spam my friends walls for help, and most was to show of my new foals, or studs for breeding.

Then they announced that Horse Saga would be merging with Horse Haven and we as a group were devastated. Horse Haven was not Horse Saga. It was a game like many other farming games with breeding thrown in. The best way to make money was not competitions but having compost bins that were "poop" boxes. The cost for buildings and quest items were outrageous and the rewards for finishing quests minimal. Competition payouts were pathetic. Most of all the horses are cartoon characters. The Horse Saga horse were elegant. Even the worst of the artistry were better than the horses in Horse Haven. Later we discovered the move to Horse Haven was not merge at all. We were loosing our stables, our Horses, our levels, and for many people real money they had paid to play just before the closure was announced.

Horse Haven is time consuming, the weed growth is out of control, energy is used to clear land, compost bins, and farming. Unless you can play all the time you can't get anywhere to play with horses. When I quit playing, I would get up in the morning and it would take nearly 75 energy points just to get to the point I could play with a horse. When a full supply is 25 that means you have to play constantly throughout the day to get anywhere. If you are a mom, a wife, and have a life it is unreasonable. Since I was in closed beta I had expressed my concerns about the game and the company responded by making compost bins requiring energy to use, stating the money making was out of balance and they needed to be fair to new players. I can't figure that out. You take the best money maker, and make it unreasonable and that helps new players? Obviously the company did not care about what we were saying as beta testers.

So what is the short and end of this review. Yes I'm disgruntled because they removed Horse Saga, but I was ready to quit playing anyway. I had other facebook games like Castleville that I like much better. (I have since stopped it too). Horse Haven is for kids, but beware that some of the quests will require you to use real money, unless they fix that. From what I last heard they hadn't. It is heavily reliant on begging friends for help, either in requesting supplies for building or asking friends to fulfill job postings. I had high hopes for the game when I was in closed testing, but once it opened it did not improve but got worse. I only give this game a 1 star rating. It is not worth your time, or your efforts. Don't be pulled into the blog posts sponsored by Ubisoft, they are not accurate about the game and its faults. I even saw one that stated you don't need friends to advance. (false) There are better games to waste time on, and even more important if you spend real money on facebook games, there are better ones worth your hard earned money.

Monday, May 14, 2012

Mother's Day

Kendra gave me a cute card for Mother's day, Here is what it said
My Mom
My mom is happy when I have a smile.
My mom is sad when I am sad
My mom looks funniest when she is drying her hair
My mom looks prettiest when she's in a dress.
My mom get scared when she dosen't know were I am.
My mom laughs when we watch funny movies
My mom gets mad when I hit my little sister.
My mom smells like lavendar.
My favorite food my mom cooks is spgatti
My mom loves me when I have a smile.
I love my mom because she cooks food.
If I could give my mom something special it would be a necklace.
My favorite thing about my mom is she's nice.
I want to say thank you mom for being my mom.
Happy Mother's day love Kendra. (original spelling kept.)

Abbie's said
To me you are a queen.
To me you are the best
To me you are beautiful
To me you are the greatest thing
To me you are so great
To me you are amazing
To me you are special
To me you are wonderful